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Eriol X Tomoyo? 
2nd-Apr-2008 12:10 am
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I'm just interested to know, just how did the EriolXTomoyo shipping start?
The pairing is featured so much in fanfiction, and yet there are no hints to the pairing what so ever in canon.
As we all know, in canon Tomoyo is too obsessed with Sakura, whilst Eriol winds up with Kaho, so where did this other ship come from and how did it gain so much popularity?

Thanks!

EDIT: I'd also like to add, I know that there are a buttload of AU pairings in CCS, as with any fandom, but it just seems as though Eriol/Tomoyo in particular is so popular that it is almost considered canon by some.
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1st-Apr-2008 01:24 pm (UTC)
Eriol and Li.

Although she's anime-only, I can also accept Tomoyo and Meiling. Or Tomoyo and Rika... save Rika from the creepy old guy!
1st-Apr-2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
HAHAHA! Yes, poor Rika! I can actually see that working, Rika/Tomoyo.
I mean, Rika/Terada is kinda cute but I guess I'm not Japanese enough to ignore their GIANT age gap. Of course, I do have fun refurring to Terada as Pedo-Sensei occasionally.
1st-Apr-2008 01:42 pm (UTC)
keyphrase: "by some"

Because I don't consider ExT canon at all. ^_^

I suppose it started because some fans wanted Tomoyo to have a boyfriend that's her age. And the only available character is Eriol. And they -seem- nice and friendly enough to be together. Pretty sure that's the simple basis. That, and so SakuraxSyaoran can have double-dates or whatever other fanfiction cliches you can think of.
1st-Apr-2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've never been one for the pairing either!
Those are pretty much my exact thoughts on the pairing. Simply, there wasn't anyone else to pair Tomoyo with, well, not as far as the boys go anyway.
I don't know, I can see that the two characters are similar, but I guess I'm just too much of a canon fan to think of them as any more than friends.
That and Eriol is actually much older than he appears ;)
1st-Apr-2008 02:21 pm (UTC)
Well. It works when you take out the whole Tomoyo's-in-love-with-Sakura and Eriol-is-a-freakin'-old-man-magician-reincarnated and Kaho factors.

Eriol and Tomoyo have chemistry 8D seem to get along well with each other and there's the matter of Eriol and Tomoyo exchanging letters while Eriol went back to England (said/hinted in one [or both?] of the movies) so maybe the whole ET shipping started there.

Anyways, even if Eriol x Tomoyo isn't canon, I still support it :|
1st-Apr-2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
Well, it isn't canon, and people who consider them so must do a good job at ignoring huge aspects of Tomoyo and Eriol's character. Like the part where Tomoyo is completely in love with Sakura, completely content to let Sakura's happiness be her own happiness, and completely uninterested in finding a boyfriend (or girlfriend, but people always somehow forget that that's a valid option for Tomoyo). Or the part where Eriol is actually in love with Kaho, and that contrary to popular belief, that doesn't make Kaho a creepy child molester because Eriol is the same age as Fujitaka, which means he's actually older than Kaho.

Basically, most of the people who ship it do so so that Tomoyo and Eriol can e in a "safe," "normal" relationship and go on double-dates with Syaoran and Sakura, never mind that they have barely any interaction in canon, and never mind that a relationship between the two would be more twisted than Rika/Tereda. Their age-gap is going to seem a lot less smaller when Rika's older, but Eriol is always going to be old enough to be Tomoyo's father.
1st-Apr-2008 07:09 pm (UTC)
Or the part where Eriol is actually in love with Kaho, and that contrary to popular belief, that doesn't make Kaho a creepy child molester because Eriol is the same age as Fujitaka, which means he's actually older than Kaho.

Or far, far older than Kaho, depending on how you see it.

Damn Eriol! Robbing the cradle with an older woman!
1st-Apr-2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
I think people are shipping them because they're ship-able in a way. There's the fact that both of their hair colors are almost in the same shade prior to Sakura and Syaoran both having brown hair. There's also the fact that they both smile so kindly and they both level in intelligence~ ^^;

I guess people who are not used to age-gap/homo relationships which CLAMP is so fond of ship them so that it would seem another normal pairing like SxS. It's not bad in a way and more nice ships mean more CCS fans, ne? XD
1st-Apr-2008 03:21 pm (UTC)
I think that this pairing is like many other pairings in any fandom... It's not canon, but it can still be loved by fans. Lots of fans enjoy exploring other possibilities - "Yes, Tomoyo is in love with Sakura, and Eriol is in love with Kaho, but what if this happened...?"

The problem with this pairing is that its fans become branded because there is a portion of them who ship the pairing only because they are in denial about Tomoyo being a lesbian (granted, just because she's in love with Sakura doesn't necessarily mean she is a lesbian, but a lot of them refuse to admit she's in love with Sakura at all, which is just plain silly). Some of them only know the dub, too, which means they're blissfully unaware of any of it and just want to pair up boys and girls however they can.

Personally I don't ship the pairing, but I can see where its appeal is and why it's popular.
1st-Apr-2008 04:23 pm (UTC) - I probably shouldn't be telling you what I really think. But I am.
Because, as we all know, characterization does not matter if you are pretty. If you would be "cute" together, minor details like canon love interests do not matter. Also, it's impossible for Tomoyo to be happy unless she's in a romantic relationship, because that's the most important thing ever in a girl's life. Nobody who is single can ever be happy. A boyfriend is the only thing that matters. And if you have the same color hair, obviously you are romantically compatible. The fact that they seem to be friends and exchange letters means they are so totally in love, because nobody can ever be friends with someone of the opposite sex, and writing letters is reserved for people in love. Sakura exchanging letters with Kaho? Completely a figment of your imagination.

Also, Tomoyo's crush on Sakura is ewww teh ghey, and Kaho simply doesn't exist and is obviously too old for Eriol anyway (disregarding the fact that Eriol is much older than he looks, and so is certainly too old for Tomoyo by that standard). It's not like CLAMP deliberately tried to show all different kinds of love in this series...oh, wait. Epic Missing The Point, much?

I'm not saying that there's anything exactly wrong with Eriol/Tomoyo as an AU and/or crack pairing, but it's treated as an obvious corollary to Sakura/Syaoran, which it simply isn't. I'm not obsessed with canon pairings Meiling/Naoko fan here, but it would be nice to have canon pairings and feelings occasionally ACKNOWLEDGED. And not have half of fandom following after each other like subtly homophobic sheep, writing the same terrible and terribly boring teen-drama story over and over.

Also, 95% at minimum is heinously OOC. If the appeal is that Tomoyo and Eriol are both intelligent and mature, it would be nice to occasionally see them written that way. Most Eriol/Tomoyo fic should come with a disclaimer, "No actual canon characters were harmed in the making of this fic."
1st-Apr-2008 05:06 pm (UTC) - Re: I probably shouldn't be telling you what I really think. But I am.
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1st-Apr-2008 05:48 pm (UTC)
I don't consider ExT canon, and honestly I haven't written it in years so I'm terrified to look back on what I did write and see how HORRIBLE it probobly was. I'm always writing noncanon though, so I took to liking Eriol with Tomoyo because honestly I think their personalities mesh well. They're both far more adult than their appearence suggests and both tend to meddle in the afairs of others for their own reasons. While their isn't very much between the two in canon, I think if given the opportunity they'd get along very well. If not romantically then at least a close friendship.

To end with, I have no problems with any pairings canon or otherwise. I like to explore the stranger pairings SakuraxYue is my fav~ because it's fun to experiment with things that were not seen in canon.

...and I never post here, so it's weird that I am now. XD
1st-Apr-2008 09:20 pm (UTC)
just how did the EriolXTomoyo shipping start?

From what I've heard from the first people to write it, it was "Let's give Tomoyo a love interest so she can have a proper happy ending. Hey, Eriol looks and acts a bit like her, I think, that would make a good crack pairing!"

Then, somewhere along the line, the "crack" part of the pairing got lost to the people writing it. Suddenly it's accepted that Eriol and Tomoyo were almost canon until CLAMP decided to torture their loyal fans by sticking Eriol with Kaho at the last minute and leaving poor Tomoyo alone and miserable. As for the canon loves, either Tomoyo doesn't really love Sakura or it's just a childish phase, and since Eriol/Kaho doesn't have any evidence anyway they're guaranteed to break up, probably by Kaho callously and selfishly breaking Eriol's heart. Then Eriol and Tomoyo's True Deep Love can begin, filled with jealousy over any outsider who gets near the other and being unable to be apart at all. No, I'm not bitter at all, why do you ask?

That aside, it's remained popular because of symmetry, I think. Sakura and Syaoran have the same hair color and end up together, Tomoyo is Sakura's best friend, so she should end up Syaoran's black-haired best friend to keep things balanced. (Even though Syaoran hates Eriol's guts, and his actual best friend would be either Yamazaki or Meiling...)

I know that there are a buttload of AU pairings in CCS

There really aren't, in fact, compared to any other fandom of this size. Almost any pairing that breaks up Teh Holee S+S is bashed and hated, no matter it is or how much evidence there is for it in canon (Yukito/Sakura being completely random? WTF?). A high percentage of the non-canon pairings seem to exist solely to "straighten out" the characters with canon same-sex love interests, and I have never seen anyone write a threesome to solve what would be the main shipwar of the fandom (Sakura/Tomoyo v. Sakura/Syaoran).
2nd-Apr-2008 01:30 am (UTC)
This fandom is seriously *the* *worst* for variety in pairings that I have *ever* seen. S/S and E/T all the time, no real competition from any other pairings. Other canon pairings? Uncommon at best. Pairings with canon support that involve the Sacred Quartet in unorthodox combinations or with someone else? Rare, rare, RARE. There aren't that many pure noncanon pairings, and I get the feeling I've invented half of them. Tomoyo/Kaho OTP!

...Needs more threesomes. This is always my philosophy, but damn.

I would read Yamazaki/Tomoyo, if only guiltily, because Chiharu/Yamazaki is win. (Now there's a threesome I would like to see. Um, you didn't hear that.)
1st-Apr-2008 10:51 pm (UTC)
tomoyo and eriol doesn't make sense.
definitely NOT canon.. in my opinion

tomoyo's friendship/love with sakura is too deep.
it's not like she's being creepy,
but she's just REALLY good friends with her.
she doesn't need a love interest.
because she's only interested in sakura.
and she always says the only thing that would make her happy,
is to see the one she loves being happy.
which pretty much is sakura and she's happy with syaoran.
therefore... SHE'S HAPPY, and she DOESN'T need eriol.

it's better that way,
and makes more sense

as for sakura with yukito? NAWT.
he belongs with toya and you know it.
just makes it that much better.
i can't get over the age gap between him and sakura
even though i find rika's crush on terada a little creepy, but cute.

and MY question is... when did eriol and kaho become a pair?
1st-Apr-2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
when did eriol and kaho become a pair?

Lessee... first hints were probably when Kaho gave Eriol Valentine's chocolates, but they didn't say anything until they left for England together. (BTW, ignore the "pedophilia" translator comments, as anyone who's read the manga knows that Eriol halted his aging and is, in fact, Fujitaka's "twin".)
1st-Apr-2008 11:11 pm (UTC) - oh well..!!
i don't know!!!!! aggh xDDhahha
Fics made me hate this couple! >:@, is so fake and forced O_O!!
And now it's was like they were completely cannon(in fics and everywhere) and i hate it cuz they make Tomoyo's and Eriol's character very different when they are put together!.

Besides that, i think they were put as a couple cuz they are rly similiar(which is gross cuz they look like bro's)and ,mainly,cuz they hate Tomoyo for being ...i'm going to say it!, a lesvian, for loving Sakura more than anything! and not just friendship love!, no, clearly she says in the manga "that she loves her more than a friend", she even confesed her love but Sakura didn't quite get it.
Anyhow!!!! fans prefer Tomoyo as a straight person or just one with a happy ending!; i also want Tomoyo to be happy, cuz, CLAMP like srsly! xDD plz make a OTP for Tomoyo xD*lol*(at some point i thought Kurogane might be the one, but oh! i was so wrong xDD).
Also it can be that,they hate the bizarre relation between "Kaho&Eriol" for som many reasons:"she looks too old, cuz i hate her,etc.".But the fact is, that those two are rly for each other, both mature and ,we Eriols like "interesting things", and Kaho is indeed interesting herself due her behaivor! she is smart,elegant and mature but she constatly gets lost and forgots where she puts thing and stuff; pretty amusing in Eriol's eyes.o_O yeah they are for each other, no matter how much they hate them. Solution???
Tomoyo and Eriol. yay for crack!
Pretty simple U_U
2nd-Apr-2008 12:10 am (UTC)
Think of it simply as a crack pairing. Personally, I (kinda) ship it in the sense that it'd be an interesting pairing due to their dynamic and their shared (rather devious) natures, although it is in no way, shape, or form canon.

I just say this simply because not all of us are crazy, I swear. ;_;
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7th-Apr-2008 01:34 am (UTC)
HAHAHAHA!!! Yes, yes they would!
5th-Apr-2008 08:00 am (UTC)
Clamp was the one who started it.

If there wasn't so many "Shoujo-Flower Scenes with Eriol and Tomoyo, then I don't think this shipping would have been as popular. Sure, there are a lot of people out there that put these two together simply because Tomoyo "needs someone" and Eriol is there... or because they hate Kaho...

The anime hardly has anything on this couple, though. Of course, the anime is WAY lacking of any good storylines that the manga has, but, meh. Thats another story.

A lot of you are saying the two personalities "don't go together". I'd have to disagree for the fact that.. One, you don't know Eriol's true personality. We GUESS he's a lot like Fujitaka, but he's also more like Clow (who was quite the jokster. A male version of Yuuko, I presume). As for Tomoyo, she's also up in the air. Despite being a main character, we really don't dive deep into her story. She's just seen as the compassionate, careful, watchful best friend of Sakura Kinomoto. We don't really see her as anything else or in any other situation.

If you look from the manga perspective, you can see a lot more evidence then the anime. And, as I said, it looks like CLAMP started it. I do like this couple because the fact there is so much more open. There was time between Tomoyo and Eriol, unlike Kaho and Eriol who we don't see together until the very end. I can't feel anything for a "random couple" as Kaho and Eriol seem to be. We didn't see any relationship what so ever. At least Tomoyo and Eriol got some Shoujo-Flower moments.

((Although, extreme TomoxEriol shippers tend to miss Tomoyo doesn't seem to mind Eriol/Kaho's relationship.))
5th-Apr-2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
Sure, there are a lot of "shoujo-flower scenes", but it's never about Eriol and Tomoyo, it's always about Sakura or, in one case, Kaho.

One, you don't know Eriol's true personality.

Not true. We see it at the end, when he drops all the masks because he doesn't need them anymore. Even before that, we see hints during his interactions with his Guardians. If you want a good scene that goes into Eriol's true personality, read the one where they're leaving, and Kaho asks him about his Guardians.

There was time between Tomoyo and Eriol, unlike Kaho and Eriol who we don't see together until the very end.

That's more due to the way the plot is structured than anything else. Tomoeda is the only setting we see, and for most of the series, Eriol and Kaho can't be together in Tomoeda. And then when Kaho arrives, she's always with Eriol, except for two scenes.

I can't feel anything for a "random couple" as Kaho and Eriol seem to be. We didn't see any relationship what so ever.

We did. As I said in an earlier comment, even before Kaho showed up, we found out that she gave Eriol chocolate. In fact, if you count Kaho's prediction about her and Touya both having new loves when they met again, you could say that CLAMP was planning Eriol/Kaho before Eriol even appeared. And at the end, they actually talk about their feelings for each other, the other people in Eriol's life, and their future together. That, to me, means more than random "shoujo-flower scenes" with about two sentences exchanged about someone else entirely.
7th-Aug-2008 07:46 am (UTC) - Re: Threesome, and all that ExT bashing
Honestly, I'm SO not kidding when I say this, I've read a SxSxT threesome fic. It was quite good. ^.~ Yes, I am quite sick-minded, thanks for asking.

Okay, I'm going to have to be TOTALLY on my own here and defend my pairing. ExT for me! ^.^

And no, I don't just ship it because like other American fanfic writers I'm a freaking homophobe or don't like large age gaps or WHATEVER. My favorite book author's main character in one series has an age difference of 15 years with her love, and I don't mind in the least. And I gladly support TxY, and RxT. Both of which I have read lemons for, actually. ^.^ I even read an ExK lemon once, despite my utter love of ExT.

You'll find that in a majority of my ExT, I actually do acknowledge Kaho. But she's never a slut. Kaho as a slut... Hah, that just cracks me up, I'm sorry. I'd never read that. No, she's normal Kaho, kind and understanding.

The thing is, I actually have REASON for this. By any chance, do you recall in episode seventy (yes, I go by the anime, which helps because in the manga was where ExK existed far more) that Eriol points out that some things Clow predicted were wrong? Using this, I've found a way to get past ExK, for the sake of ExT.

What if, say, ExK dated because Clow predicted that they should/would/whatever? Then, another thing he could have predicted wrong. Maybe Clow didn't foresee that Eriol would be changed by Sakura's cheerful personality, maybe he thought Eriol would be just like him - but no. Eriol is his own person! And if Clow didn't foresee Tomoyo, either...

You know, so many things could change. ExK could fall apart, and in my ExT story, Kaho actually becomes a bit of a help to ExT.

As for Tomoyo and Sakura, that's harder to ignore. But frankly, I don't. Tomoyo could always just fall out of love. Or, we could have her mistake her affection for Sakura as a best friend for something more. Unlikely? Not if you consider how much love Tomoyo must get in her life. Her only other friends it seems are her bodyguards and her mother. She never sees her mother. Her bodyguards are bodyguards. Can you imagine the loneliness until Sakura came along in 3rd grade? No doubt she's ever grateful and loves Sakura for it - loves Sakura in a platonic sense, perhaps, but mistakes it for more.

Yeah, it's stretching it. But I'm not done yet!

It IS possible, with some working.

As for WHY I ship them? Because they would not only look cute together (you can't deny that) but Tomoyo would perhaps be the only "friend" of his mature enough to understand him. She's very compassionate, very sweet, very deep...

And of course, there's the fact that besides that, we don't know much about either. Construct the right background story and feelings for both, and you have compatibility. Tomoyo is deeper than a pretty face, and Eriol we don't know much about either. They wear masks that shield their true selves from being shown - another similarity. Eriol's true self we see only at the ExK parts at the end of CCS manga, and I prefer the anime (go Meiling-chan!) anyway.

It's possible. Really, it is. Maybe some of you are reading the wrong ExT. I'm not necessarily saying mine (FFN penname CheeseyCraziness, by the way) is what to read, but I'm definitely saying that some ExT fics out there are simply amazing. Give it a shot, okay? Really.

Also, many just throw together TxE as companions to SxS in their SxS based fics. They don't try to characterize them properly. They just mindlessly pair them. Sheesh. I HATE that.

I try my best to give them as much depth as I can. There's more to even my ONESHOTS then meets the eye. With a little imagination, you can figure it out.
7th-Aug-2008 07:46 am (UTC) - Re: Threesome, and all that ExT bashing
(hehe, I maxed out the word limit. Continuing:)

My oneshot Absolutely for example appears to have no romantic buildup. But how do you know? I admit, not one of my better ExTs, but still, can't you see that there's more to it? I'm trying to capture just one moment. Use imagination, and you find that my story could be a full-blown story if I wanted it to be.

Honestly. When I first watched CCS, ExT never occured to me. When I first saw it being shipped on FFN, I was skeptical, but thought I'd give one fic a try. The first one I read was dreadful. I gave ExT one more shot, and bingo - lovely.

And I've proudly shipped it since.

Got it? ^.^

P.S. As a final comment, I'd like to say that since my stories are all anime-based, ExK really doesn't even apply - yet I remedy it often anyway, just for those sticklers to canon manga, ne? Thanks for listening.
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